Cast/Baradri System In Islam????

[Alina]

Salam Fbians...
Jesa k sab jantay hain k hamari society main Aisay buhat se log hain jo Apni Cast ko buhat Aala samajhtay hain Aur dosri Cast main ussi tarah uthtay bethtay hain jesay non muslims main uthtay bethtay hain.....Per jahan cast ki baat aa jaye tu Musalmaan Musalmaan ki apas main Behas ho jati hai Baaz ooqat baat qatal tak pohach jati hai...

Question mera Yeh hai k Aap log kia Samajay hain Iss Cast/Baradri System k baaray main???
Meri tamam Fbians se guzarish hai k plzzz apni Raaye ka yahan khul k izhar karain.....!!

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[Alina]

Alina app itna rigid kyon hain..... aur app yeh kis baat ko kis baat say mila rahi hn......

Hazoor PBUH nay jo bhi step uthaye thay wo Allah ki sarbulandi k liye thay na kay apni shaadi k liye....(Naooz o Billah, mere munh main khaak)

aur jiss tarah app keh rahi hain kay apni family ki parwah chor dain aur sach ka saath dain........ tau Hazoor PBUH nay bhi jo kuch bhi kiya apnay baron ki izaat ko thais pohnchaye baghir kiya.... aur un kay chacha un kay saath thay.... shayed yeh yaad nahi app ko....unhooo nay us ka bhi ehtraam kiya jo un kay saath tha... aur us ka bhi jo nahi tha....

wo jang o jadal per utar atay tau Islam kabhi na phailta....unhoo nay apnay ikhlaq say na sirf Islam ka sar buland kiya balkay duniya ko ikhlaq ki ala misal di.....

aur kiss sach ki baat kar rahi hain app..... aik larka ya larki jinhay milay howe kuch hi arsa huwa hota hay ... yeh sachhhh

ya phir yeh sach kay parents jinhoo nay hamain paida kiya, aur jinhay hum barson say jantay hain aur jin k say hamara khoon ka rishta hay, aur jahan jiss jagah ajj hum kharay hain un parents ki wajah say hain....

aur un kay is ehsaan ka badla hum is tarah chukain kay un ki parwah na karain.....

sorry to say alina per kya app apni parents k liye esa sochti hain......

parents kitnay hi buray kyon na hoon un ka ehtram baharhaal hum per lazim hay.... Wo app ko is duniya main laye hain.... wo chatay tau app ka wajood tak na hota is duniya main....

Aur wese bhi is chotay say haqeer mamlay main Hazoor PBUH ko lana aur itna rigidly bolna theek nahi.....yeh srasar gustakhi hay....

@Heer Malik....AAp ne meri Baat ko nihayat Ghalat Andaz main bayan kiya hai....main ne sirf suggestion dii hain k wo kia kia Kar saktay hain iss mamlay main.....Aur last wali line shayed aap ne PArhi nahi.....AAp dobara Parh lain.....

"Ap tu iss Rasam ko Haath se bhi aur zaban se bhi rook saktay hain.....
Lekin Ager nahi kar saktay kuch tu Atleast Ehad kar lain....Jesa Nadeem bhai ne kaha....!!"

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[Alina]

@ Heer Malik....Aap k Replies main ne pooray Parhay nahi....Lekin kaafi Kuch parh liya hai....Jesay aap ne bataya k Cast main rehtay huye aisa hota hai etc etc,,....tu Janab jab CAst main Rehtay hoye problems ho jati hain...tu iss ka Matlab tu yeh hua k yeh problems har Jagah ho sakti hai.....
2nd....aap mujhay batayein k jab musalmano main har cheez ka farq khatam tu yeh cast ka farq kiun aaya???
Musalmaano ko elehda karnay k liye???
3rd....HAm main aur gher muslimo main yehi farq k ham non muslims se dosti bhi kartay hain....Aur non muslimo se business aur har tarah ki cheezon main taluq hota hai.....Bus un main ham Shadi hi tu nahi kartay.....!!
4rth.....Ager baron ko karni hai khandaan main Shadi tu thek hai Karain...Meri Muma khud Khandan k rishto ko hi priority dain gi.....Lekin kisi ko Zaat main Bound karna Gunnah hai....!!
Aur iss Gunah ko aap jhutla nahi Saktii...!!

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[Alina]

Those are my parents or ap ne Humari Nabi PBUH ki misal di to main bata do unhon ne yeh b kaha k unchi awaz main un se bat tak na kero or uff tak na kero .... to kahan likha hi k un se bagawat kero ? chalo man lia haq bat kehna theek hi to main ne b kahi haq bat k this isnt right or zid b ki per jab un k tootny ki bari ai to main peechy hat gya ... or yeh koi siyasi tehreek nahi thi jis pe baycott kerta ....

Maa Baap ki har baat mannay ka hukum hai....Siwaye uss baat k jis may Allah ki Raza Shamil na ho.....
Aap Batayein kia wo log Ghalat thay Jo Hamaray Nabi ki Risalat per Yaqeen kar k Allah per Emaan lay AAye thay.....Apnay parents ki Na-farmani kar k.....100% aap ka yehi jawab ho ga k wo buhat nek log thay.....Unho ne apnay parents se hi TAbleeq ka amal shuru kia.....!!
HAzrat umer farooq ne apnay door e khilafat main kaha tha k Ager Daryaaye Neel k Kinaray koi Maweshi bhi Mar jaaye tu uss ka mujh se Hisaab ho ga....Hamaray haan Janaro k saath itna acha sulook rakhnay ka hukum hai,,,,insano main farq tu Na karo....!!

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[Alina]

@ Heer & Farhan....
Jab insan ko Ghalti ka ehsas hota hai tu hi woh apni islaah karta hai....Dont mind....Lekin Caste system main bandhay huye logon ko apni Ghaltiyaan nazar nahi aati....
Plzz Farq na karo khud main aur dosro main....k Allah tum main farq na kar day...!!

aur ik baat Heer se kehna chaho gi k Hamaray Pyaray Nabi ki Baat karnay per koi boundries nahi hai...Infact unhi ki Zindagi ko hamain apnanay ka hukum diya hai...tu ham tu apni zindagi k ik ik Amal main un ka zikar karain gay.....
Ap ager Quran ko hifazat se kisi achi jagah per rakhay rahay tu uss quran ka aap ki zindagi main koi faida nahi ho ga....Asal faida tu tab hai jab uss per amal karain....Issi tarah Huzoor ki baaton ko ham apnay zikar main na laayein tu Aisa karna bhi theek nahi hoga....Har insan ko Haq hai un k zikar ko apni har baat main Laanay ka.....

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[Alina]

Aur ik Baat jo main TAmam FBians se share karna chaho gi....Wo yeh k aap ne suna ho ga Irshad-e-khudawand hai k
"tum Zameen Walon per reham karo Allah tum per reham karay ga"
Beshak Allah insaf wala hai....
Main ne observe kia k
jo log kisi ko izat dain...Allah ussay izat deta hai....Jo kisi ko maaf kar dain...Allah ussay MAaf kar deta hai...Matlab k hamaray har nek amal k badlay Allah wesa hi hamara haq main acha kar deta hai...!!

is tarah hamain un baato se darna chahiye jo k hamaray liye bura kar sakti hai...
e.g;.....Kisi per zulm nahi karna chahiye....Allah ham per zulm na kar day....
Kisi ki dil-azaari......kisi buray naam se pukarna....
Aur farq nahi karna chahiye....

Aj jo log apnay aap ko...Syed...Punjabi....etc etc Kehalwa kar Zaaton per fakhar kartay hain......KAl Allah unhe Musalmaan k Bajaye un ki Zaato se na pukar lay....!!

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[Alina]

N one more thing....Jo main un caste system k mannay walo se kehna chaho gi....K Parents sab k liye buhat Important hain....
LEkin Hamara MAzhab hamain Sikhata hai k Allah ko sab se ziyada chaho....Phir Hamaray Pyaray Nabi ko....Phir Parents ya koi bhi....!!
Hamaray Parents Allah aur RAsool S.A.W se nahi jeet saktay...Beshak...!!
Jab hamaray Mazhab k mamlay main koi rukawat aaye....tu Jahad ka hukum hai,,,,,Ager PArents sahi mazhab per chalnay na dain....APnay rules alag bana dain....tu unhe samjhana farz hai....Aur ager jaan ka Khatra ho tu phir atleast dil main buraa soochay....ISs Depate k Anti baat na karain....ISs ko ta-qayamat bura soochain...Ho sakta hai k iss tarah Allah Aap k parents ki tarah aap se Naraz na ho...!!

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[RH Positive]

very well said Alina! i agree w/ you 110%

[Heer_Malik]

haan naraz hon kyon keh ap bhag jati ho aur batati bhi nhi

sorry na ....... daikho aub nahi bhaagi.... abhi tau NB nay meri choti aur kaan dono hi pakray huwe hain :D

maan jao na sweetooo plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Heer_Malik]

hmmmm I guess kaafi kuch bola ja chuka hey yahan .... I couldn't read all the messages but some form this page.

Let me speak of my perception ...
Jahan tak shanakht (identity) ki baat hey cast waghera theek ... k chalo pata chal jaata kon kis nasal sey taaluq rakhta hey n so on .... but zahir hey is baat ko kisi maa'mley mey aik dewaar bana k beech mey khada ker dena ye bilkul ghalat.

aur shaadi k maa'mloon mey ye bohat common si baat hey aur hazaroon example aaj k daur mey bhi ....

Solution is we need to educate our elders in this regard ... in a polite way ... in an understandable way ... satisfy them with logic and reasons.

main heer ki is baat sey itna ittefaaq nahi karoon gee ki parents her haal mey sahi faisla hi kertey hein ... amoman ye parents hi hotey hein jo is qism ki zid baandh k na sirf apney bachchon ki zindagiyon aur khushi ko dao pey lagaatey hein bulkey baaz dafa behtareen rishtey sirf isi basis pey thukra bhi deye jaatey ...

her dafa parents ye nahi dekh saktey ki aaj ka naujawan kiya chahta hey when it comes to life partner ... jis tarah kisi bhi aur field mey experience k saath saath Fresh Ideas us cheez ki progress k leye zaroori hotey hein usi tarah aik naee nasal ki soch bhi bohat ehmiyat ki haamil bashamol unkey parents k tajarbaat k .... so parents need to be little flexible if all the other things seem good in a person their son/daughter want to get married.

haan aulaad honey k naatey hamara farz banta k hum her mumkin koshish karein k unki khushi ko apni khushi pey fauqiyat dein ... agar parents apna farz nahi nibha rahey tu chalo uch kho k bhi hamey achchi aulaad honey ka aizaaz tu mil hi jaaey ga ... per bohat zeyada zeyaadti sehna aur ghalat cheez ko promote kerna bhi ghalat ... so I think in such scenario we need to analyze the whole thing very thoroughly ki konsa step behtar hoga jismey sab ka nuqsan kam sey kam ho ....

As for the thing ki biradri mey adjustment hoti aasani sey ... tu I don't think its that important jis ki waja sey ghair biradri k behtareen option chhor dyey jaaein .......... her ghar doosrey ghar sey mukhtalif hota hey ... logon ki aadatein ... fitrat ... mahol n all that ... tu adjust tu ladki ko her hi haal mey kerna hota hey .......... aur jahan muhabbatein hon wahan ye cheezein mehsoos bhi nahi hotein aur kaam hojaata

werna suffer kerna likha ho tu biradri kiya khon k rishton k dermiyaan jaa k bhi baaz dafa ladki itna suffer kerti ki soch bhi nahi saktey uskey ghar waley k ye apna khoon hey ya ye wo hein jinhey hum arsey sey jaantey ....

its all about considering all the facts and figures before time ... bohat kam log hi itna practically her cheez pey dheyan detay shaadi sey pehlay ...

Heer aap k parents ka sun k zahir hey achcha tu nahi laga per zaroori tu nahi ki baat sirf ghair biraadri honey ki ho ... as u too have said ur dad doesn't love ... so even if ur mom wud be from same cast, he wud have treat her n u all the same way as he does now ... isn't it?

ladki ya ladka baaz dafa muhabbat mey bas achcha achcha hi dekh rahey hotey .. wo aur cheezon ko 'dekhi jaaey gee' pey rakh k baad k leye utha rakhtey ... even baaz dafa baaz traits aisi kisi aik mey jo k kaafi hoti hey ye andaza laganey k leye k ye cheez aagey chal k problem karey gee per us waqt ishq ka bhoot sawar hota hey ... aur jab shadi ko chand din guzartey hein tu phir wohi aadat sab sey ahum baat aur ladaee a sabub ban k reh jaati

Very nice AQN.... app ki aik aik baat say mujhay itifaq hay.....

aub app kahain gi ka hain yeh esay keh rahi thi uper aur yahan bilkul hi changed?????

well wo upper main nay aik pehlu per baat ki thi, ji bilkul app nay aik aik lafz sahi kaha...... mujhay kisi baat say inkar nahi.... per jo baat main nay ki wo bhi sahi hay

main khud is cast system ko nahi manti, aur mere father side main almost shaadiyan out of cast aur love marriages hi hoti hain......

main nay sirf itna samjhanay ki koshish ki kay ham apnay parents ko nakhush kar k khush nahi reh saktay.... aur un ka ehtraam hum per lazim hay...

aur kuch apnay experiences share kiye app say

Well ... haan albata aik baat per main app se thora sa ikhtalaf rakhti hn wo yeh jo app nay kaha kay zaroori nahi k parents sahi faisla hi karain..........

well ya rite i agree... per parents ki intenstions ghalat nahi hoti aur un ka experience baharhal hum say bht zyada hota hay... agar un ka kiya gaya koi faisla kabhi aulad k liye bura nikal bhi aye tau unhay qasoor war nahi samjhna chahiye kyonke beharhal wo Allah tau nahi k sahi sahi judgement karain.

Per i again repeat k parents kabhi bhi apni aulad ka bura nahi chahtay...

and yes.... individual level pay we all should educate our elders to come out of this old and Hindu culture.


Aik baat aur app ny kahi k jahan mohabbat ho wahan adjustments ho hi jati hain...................... well kehna bht asan aur karna utna hi mushkil............

wo sari mohabatin dam tor de deti hain shaadi k baad, arrange marriage aur love marriege, dono hi couples ko agar bitha kar un say yeh poocha jaye k app main kis baat per larai hoti hay tau 99% wajoohat family related hn gi aur un kay appas ka 1% issue bus aween sa hi ho ga.....

Aur yeh haqeeqat hay kay couples apni families ki larai larte hain, un k apnay under tau isseus hotay hi nahi.....

bus wohi baat na.................. practical is quite harsh and difficult

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[Heer_Malik]

@Heer Malik....AAp ne meri Baat ko nihayat Ghalat Andaz main bayan kiya hai....main ne sirf suggestion dii hain k wo kia kia Kar saktay hain iss mamlay main.....Aur last wali line shayed aap ne PArhi nahi.....AAp dobara Parh lain.....

"Ap tu iss Rasam ko Haath se bhi aur zaban se bhi rook saktay hain.....
Lekin Ager nahi kar saktay kuch tu Atleast Ehad kar lain....Jesa Nadeem bhai ne kaha....!!"

Shukar hay mere ghalat andaz-e-bayan nay app ko andaz ko kuch tau behter kiya

Main nay mukamal parha hay app ki taehreer ko.... haan per mukamal behas nahi ki.....

Haath aur zuban say roknay k baad??? App ko lagta hay kay parents maan jain gain???

ya tau app kay Walid, ya phir app ki Walida ko heart attack ho jaye ga..... aur hosiptal main emergency ward main hi un ki zindagi bachanay kay liye us say nikah parhwa lain gain jiss se app k parents chahtay hain.... lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz

aur nikah hotay hi app kay parents tandurasut ho kar ghar ajain gain....

Well Alina...... bachay

mujhay app ki kisi baat say ikhtalf nahi hay ... app nay jo kuch kaha sab sach bilkul sach...... per yeh sab utna seedha aur asan nahi jitna app samjh rahay ho....

I really appreciate k app main itni Ikhlaqi jurat hy kay app is k haq main bol rahay ho... per Alina app bahar niklo.... experience karo...... tau app ko pata chalay ga k jo hum sochta hain wo wesa practically kitna mushkil balkay next to important hay.......

App karo convince apnay parents ko for a trial.... k you wana marry out of the family.... aur phir dekho Aoont kis karwat baithta hay.....

aur haan agar app aesa karo gy tau i promise you k i am with you in any situation... mujhay aa kar app k parents say baat bhi karni pari tau i will be there.....

per meri baat yaad rakhna Alina.... practicals and debates are really far apart experiences ....

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[Heer_Malik]

@ Heer Malik....Aap k Replies main ne pooray Parhay nahi....Lekin kaafi Kuch parh liya hai....Jesay aap ne bataya k Cast main rehtay huye aisa hota hai etc etc,,....tu Janab jab CAst main Rehtay hoye problems ho jati hain...tu iss ka Matlab tu yeh hua k yeh problems har Jagah ho sakti hai.....
2nd....aap mujhay batayein k jab musalmano main har cheez ka farq khatam tu yeh cast ka farq kiun aaya???
Musalmaano ko elehda karnay k liye???
3rd....HAm main aur gher muslimo main yehi farq k ham non muslims se dosti bhi kartay hain....Aur non muslimo se business aur har tarah ki cheezon main taluq hota hai.....Bus un main ham Shadi hi tu nahi kartay.....!!
4rth.....Ager baron ko karni hai khandaan main Shadi tu thek hai Karain...Meri Muma khud Khandan k rishto ko hi priority dain gi.....Lekin kisi ko Zaat main Bound karna Gunnah hai....!!
Aur iss Gunah ko aap jhutla nahi Saktii...!!

Ji bilkul problems kahin bhi ho sakti hain.... and i agree with you.... k bound karna sahi nahi......

yeh gunnah hay ya nahi................ i cant comment on that but it is not rite even

[Alina]

Shukar hay mere ghalat andaz-e-bayan nay app ko andaz ko kuch tau behter kiya

Main nay mukamal parha hay app ki taehreer ko.... haan per mukamal behas nahi ki.....

Haath aur zuban say roknay k baad??? App ko lagta hay kay parents maan jain gain???

ya tau app kay Walid, ya phir app ki Walida ko heart attack ho jaye ga..... aur hosiptal main emergency ward main hi un ki zindagi bachanay kay liye us say nikah parhwa lain gain jiss se app k parents chahtay hain.... lolzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz

aur nikah hotay hi app kay parents tandurasut ho kar ghar ajain gain....

Well Alina...... bachay

mujhay app ki kisi baat say ikhtalf nahi hay ... app nay jo kuch kaha sab sach bilkul sach...... per yeh sab utna seedha aur asan nahi jitna app samjh rahay ho....

I really appreciate k app main itni Ikhlaqi jurat hy kay app is k haq main bol rahay ho... per Alina app bahar niklo.... experience karo...... tau app ko pata chalay ga k jo hum sochta hain wo wesa practically kitna mushkil balkay next to important hay.......

App karo convince apnay parents ko for a trial.... k you wana marry out of the family.... aur phir dekho Aoont kis karwat baithta hay.....

aur haan agar app aesa karo gy tau i promise you k i am with you in any situation... mujhay aa kar app k parents say baat bhi karni pari tau i will be there.....

per meri baat yaad rakhna Alina.... practicals and debates are really far apart experiences ....

Emaan k 3 Darjaat hain...Aur uss post main main ne yehi batanay ki koshish ki thi.....
Haath se rooknay ka matlab yeh nahi k aap talwar lay kar shuru ho jaye....Haath se rooknay ka matlab hai,....K khud uss ko na apnayein...Aur iss ki muzammat karain....2nd Zaban se rooknay ka matlab hai k Samjhayein....Apnay parents ko....3rd dil main bura samjhay...
Islam talwar k zoor se na phela hai...Aur na phel sakta hai...
Aap In baato ko shayed kisi aur nazariye se dekh rahi hai....ap ko iss baray main pata hona chahiye k Haath se aur Zaban se rooknay ka kia maqsad hai....
Aur Yeh baat na main ne Kahi aur na main keh sakti hon k Apnay parents per talwar uthao....Aap ne nihayat Ghalat andaz se issay Samjha hai....Mujhay buhat dukh hua k aap ne iss tarah k sakht alfaaz use kiye meri un baato per jo main ne Kahay bhi nahi...!!

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[Heer_Malik]

@ Heer & Farhan....
Jab insan ko Ghalti ka ehsas hota hai tu hi woh apni islaah karta hai....Dont mind....Lekin Caste system main bandhay huye logon ko apni Ghaltiyaan nazar nahi aati....
Plzz Farq na karo khud main aur dosro main....k Allah tum main farq na kar day...!!

aur ik baat Heer se kehna chaho gi k Hamaray Pyaray Nabi ki Baat karnay per koi boundries nahi hai...Infact unhi ki Zindagi ko hamain apnanay ka hukum diya hai...tu ham tu apni zindagi k ik ik Amal main un ka zikar karain gay.....
Ap ager Quran ko hifazat se kisi achi jagah per rakhay rahay tu uss quran ka aap ki zindagi main koi faida nahi ho ga....Asal faida tu tab hai jab uss per amal karain....Issi tarah Huzoor ki baaton ko ham apnay zikar main na laayein tu Aisa karna bhi theek nahi hoga....Har insan ko Haq hai un k zikar ko apni har baat main Laanay ka.....

Ji bilkul app apnain Hazoor PBUH ki zingai ko........................ is say behter koi option kisi ki zindagi main nahi..... per kya HAzoor PBUH ki zindagi main say apnanay k liye yehi aik baat hay.....

jitni behas hum yahan love marriage aur cast marriages k liye kar rahay hain... kash kisi aur baat k liye karte.......... k namaz parho, Quran parho, Apnay ird gird k mustahiq logo ko dhoondho aur un ki madad karo.... etc.....

Nahi Alina bilkul bhi haq hasil nahi hay kisi bhi insaan ko k wo is tarah say Hazoor PBUH ka zikr kare jiss tarah app ny apni post main kiya... sorry to say but you were very rigid in that.

Aur koi bht bara masla ho tau wahan Un ki baat lai bhi jaye per yeh koi aisa issue nahi....

Aur chalain agar UN k is issue ko lana bhi hay tau app batain kitni Love Marraiges ki Hazoor PBUH nay....??? koi aik????

Koi aik bhi nahi.... tau jo kaam unhoo nay kiya hi nahi.... us kaam k liye kese app Unhay quote kr sakti hain....???

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[Heer_Malik]

Aur ik Baat jo main TAmam FBians se share karna chaho gi....Wo yeh k aap ne suna ho ga Irshad-e-khudawand hai k
"tum Zameen Walon per reham karo Allah tum per reham karay ga"
Beshak Allah insaf wala hai....
Main ne observe kia k
jo log kisi ko izat dain...Allah ussay izat deta hai....Jo kisi ko maaf kar dain...Allah ussay MAaf kar deta hai...Matlab k hamaray har nek amal k badlay Allah wesa hi hamara haq main acha kar deta hai...!!

is tarah hamain un baato se darna chahiye jo k hamaray liye bura kar sakti hai...
e.g;.....Kisi per zulm nahi karna chahiye....Allah ham per zulm na kar day....
Kisi ki dil-azaari......kisi buray naam se pukarna....
Aur farq nahi karna chahiye....

Aj jo log apnay aap ko...Syed...Punjabi....etc etc Kehalwa kar Zaaton per fakhar kartay hain......KAl Allah unhe Musalmaan k Bajaye un ki Zaato se na pukar lay....!!

Bilkul jiss tarah app nay yeh baat observe ki hay usi tarah apni anay wali zindagi main app ko yeh observation bhi ho gi k parents agar na khush hoon tau aulad khush nahi rehti....

[Alina]

Ji bilkul problems kahin bhi ho sakti hain.... and i agree with you.... k bound karna sahi nahi......

yeh gunnah hay ya nahi................ i cant comment on that but it is not rite even

Aap janti hai k Debate k hamaray Mashray main kiya Haysiyat hai....Pakistan Jungo k nateejay main nahi bana...Balkay Debates ki badaulat hi hamain hamara watan milla....!!

Gunnah tu farq karnay ka hai....Ab jab musalmaano main zaat k naam per koi farq karay ga tu aap common sense use karain ussay obviously iss ki neki tu nahi milay gi...balkay Allah Naraz ho ga....!!
Meri sis 1 k alawa sab khandan aur jannay walon main gaee hain....Lekin koi restriction nahi lagaee hui hamaray haan k Khandan main hi karni hai warna Gher main bethay bethay Boorhi ho JAao...!!

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[Heer_Malik]

Emaan k 3 Darjaat hain...Aur uss post main main ne yehi batanay ki koshish ki thi.....
Haath se rooknay ka matlab yeh nahi k aap talwar lay kar shuru ho jaye....Haath se rooknay ka matlab hai,....K khud uss ko na apnayein...Aur iss ki muzammat karain....2nd Zaban se rooknay ka matlab hai k Samjhayein....Apnay parents ko....3rd dil main bura samjhay...
Islam talwar k zoor se na phela hai...Aur na phel sakta hai...
Aap In baato ko shayed kisi aur nazariye se dekh rahi hai....ap ko iss baray main pata hona chahiye k Haath se aur Zaban se rooknay ka kia maqsad hai....
Aur Yeh baat na main ne Kahi aur na main keh sakti hon k Apnay parents per talwar uthao....Aap ne nihayat Ghalat andaz se issay Samjha hai....Mujhay buhat dukh hua k aap ne iss tarah k sakht alfaaz use kiye meri un baato per jo main ne Kahay bhi nahi...!!

Main nay app ki is baat ko bilkul usi tarah samjha hay jiss tarah app samjha rahi hain..... per app meri bataon ko jazbat say parh rahi hain hosh say nahi......

main nay talwar ka lafz kahan istamal kiya..... aur app ko yeh kab kaha???? yeh lafz app khud istamal kar rahi hain .....

app nay jo treeqa bataya .... bilkul sahi hay aesa hi karna chahiye.... yaar app plzzz thnday dil say socho ... ghusa nahi hotay yeh sirf aik debate hay aur jiss main hamari koshish honi chahiye kay hamari behas ka koi acha nateeja samnay aye

per phir bhi i am sorry agar meri koi bhi baat app ko buri lagi hay tau .....

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[Alina]

Ji bilkul app apnain Hazoor PBUH ki zingai ko........................ is say behter koi option kisi ki zindagi main nahi..... per kya HAzoor PBUH ki zindagi main say apnanay k liye yehi aik baat hay.....

jitni behas hum yahan love marriage aur cast marriages k liye kar rahay hain... kash kisi aur baat k liye karte.......... k namaz parho, Quran parho, Apnay ird gird k mustahiq logo ko dhoondho aur un ki madad karo.... etc.....

Nahi Alina bilkul bhi haq hasil nahi hay kisi bhi insaan ko k wo is tarah say Hazoor PBUH ka zikr kare jiss tarah app ny apni post main kiya... sorry to say but you were very rigid in that.

Aur koi bht bara masla ho tau wahan Un ki baat lai bhi jaye per yeh koi aisa issue nahi....

Aur chalain agar UN k is issue ko lana bhi hay tau app batain kitni Love Marraiges ki Hazoor PBUH nay....??? koi aik????

Koi aik bhi nahi.... tau jo kaam unhoo nay kiya hi nahi.... us kaam k liye kese app Unhay quote kr sakti hain....???

I think AAp mere Alfazz ko Kaafi Barha Charha kar keh rahi hain.,,...Main ne apni kisi bhi Post main Love marriages ka Tazkira nahi kia...Main ne bus yehi kaha hai k Marriages K alawa tamam taluqat non muslims se bhi hotay hain....Aur muslims cast walay iss tarah dosray musalmano se bhi rakhtay hain....
sorry to say....Mujhay iss waqt nihayat Ajeeb lag raha hai...K aap meri baaton ko kiss andaaz main lay rahi hain...!!

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[Heer_Malik]

Aap janti hai k Debate k hamaray Mashray main kiya Haysiyat hai....Pakistan Jungo k nateejay main nahi bana...Balkay Debates ki badaulat hi hamain hamara watan milla....!!

Gunnah tu farq karnay ka hai....Ab jab musalmaano main zaat k naam per koi farq karay ga tu aap common sense use karain ussay obviously iss ki neki tu nahi milay gi...balkay Allah Naraz ho ga....!!
Meri sis 1 k alawa sab khandan aur jannay walon main gaee hain....Lekin koi restriction nahi lagaee hui hamaray haan k Khandan main hi karni hai warna Gher main bethay bethay Boorhi ho JAao...!!

watan ko hasil karne k liye debate karna aur Islam k kisi aham maslay pay comment karna do mukhtalif cheezain hain, aur main apnay app ko authority nahi samjhti k main yahan yeh kahon kay yeh gunah hay, makrooh hay etc.... haan main apni raye de sakti hn aur wo main nay di hay kay yeh waqee wrong hay, bound nahi karna chahiye....

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[Alina]

Main nay app ki is baat ko bilkul usi tarah samjha hay jiss tarah app samjha rahi hain..... per app meri bataon ko jazbat say parh rahi hain hosh say nahi......

main nay talwar ka lafz kahan istamal kiya..... aur app ko yeh kab kaha???? yeh lafz app khud istamal kar rahi hain .....

app nay jo treeqa bataya .... bilkul sahi hay aesa hi karna chahiye.... yaar app plzzz thnday dil say socho ... ghusa nahi hotay yeh sirf aik debate hay aur jiss main hamari koshish honi chahiye kay hamari behas ka koi acha nateeja samnay aye

per phir bhi i am sorry agar meri koi bhi baat app ko buri lagi hay tau .....

dont be sorry....But offcourse mujhay buri lagi aap ki baat...Bcoz aap ne parenst ki jo imp batayee...Aur phir meri baato per jiss tarah sakht alfaz use kiye.....Jesay main ne parents ki baghawat ka keh diya ho....!!
Mera taluq kisi terrrist ki agency se nahi k main tabahi ki baat karon...Main ne 3no baatain batai thi....Lekin aap ne ussay buhat burray andaz main summarize kia...!!

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[Heer_Malik]

I think AAp mere Alfazz ko Kaafi Barha Charha kar keh rahi hain.,,...Main ne apni kisi bhi Post main Love marriages ka Tazkira nahi kia...Main ne bus yehi kaha hai k Marriages K alawa tamam taluqat non muslims se bhi hotay hain....Aur muslims cast walay iss tarah dosray musalmano se bhi rakhtay hain....
sorry to say....Mujhay iss waqt nihayat Ajeeb lag raha hai...K aap meri baaton ko kiss andaaz main lay rahi hain...!!

main nay tau kahin bhi yeh nahi kaha kay app nay love marriges ka tazkara kiya hay........

app har baat ko apni taraf kyon lay kar ja rahi hain.... yeh tau aik general disscussion hay na.....

aur love marraiges ka tazkara main nay is liye kiya kay Parents say ikhtalaf shaadi main tabhi hota hay jab banday ki chahat kahin aur ho.... warna ikhtalaf ki koi zaroorat nahi hoti.... yeh tau aik understood si baat hay

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[Heer_Malik]

dont be sorry....But offcourse mujhay buri lagi aap ki baat...Bcoz aap ne parenst ki jo imp batayee...Aur phir meri baato per jiss tarah sakht alfaz use kiye.....Jesay main ne parents ki baghawat ka keh diya ho....!!
Mera taluq kisi terrrist ki agency se nahi k main tabahi ki baat karon...Main ne 3no baatain batai thi....Lekin aap ne ussay buhat burray andaz main summarize kia...!!

main tau pehle hi keh rahi hn k app jazbat say parh rahi hain....

Per koi baat nahi... i am sorry again ...

[Alina]

Buhat se logon k PArents nahi hotay....LEkin woh phir bhi Khsuh rehnay ki koshish kartay hain...!!
Ager parents muhabat karnay walay hon gay tu wo hamari khushi main khush hon gay,,,,,Atleast Mananay per maan Jaayein gay ....Ager Aana Walay...Aur Selfish hon gay tu phir Jesay aap ne KAha Apnay Nana ki baat bataee.... Aulaad phir kabhi khush nahi hogi...!!

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[Alina]

main nay tau kahin bhi yeh nahi kaha kay app nay love marriges ka tazkara kiya hay........

app har baat ko apni taraf kyon lay kar ja rahi hain.... yeh tau aik general disscussion hay na.....

aur love marraiges ka tazkara main nay is liye kiya kay Parents say ikhtalaf shaadi main tabhi hota hay jab banday ki chahat kahin aur ho.... warna ikhtalaf ki koi zaroorat nahi hoti.... yeh tau aik understood si baat hay

Dont Mind MAm Lekin Mujhay Lagta hai k aap keh kar apnay Alfaz bhool jati hain.....!!
Love Marriages Ki baat aap ne start ki hai....Main ne nahi...!!

Jazbat se parh rahi hoti tu Jawab nahi deti main....Mere opinion ko aap jab kuch aur keh kar Pesh karaian gi tu Sar main Dard tu ho ga..!!

Sorry...!!
Allah Hafiz...!!

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[Heer_Malik]

Buhat se logon k PArents nahi hotay....LEkin woh phir bhi Khsuh rehnay ki koshish kartay hain...!!
Ager parents muhabat karnay walay hon gay tu wo hamari khushi main khush hon gay,,,,,Atleast Mananay per maan Jaayein gay ....Ager Aana Walay...Aur Selfish hon gay tu phir Jesay aap ne KAha Apnay Nana ki baat bataee.... Aulaad phir kabhi khush nahi hogi...!!

Mere nana na hi selfish thay aur na hi ana parast... unki jo preidictions mere walid k liye thi usay waqat nay proof kiya....

mere nana nay jo bhi kiya is liye k un ki baiti ko takleef na ho, per meri mom ko un k experience se zyada apni chahat per maan tha.... aur akahar kaar meri mom ki chahat dam tor gai.... jab mere nana ki mere walid se mutaliq aik aik baat sach sabat hoi.

Yeh baat main pehle bhi keh chuki hn k parents intentionaly ghalat faislay nahi kartay... Bus ...kabhi kabhi un k kiye gaye faislay ghalat ho jatay hain.... per yeh bhi zaroori nahi k hamaray saray faislay sahi hn, ghalti hum say bhi ho sakti hay...

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[Heer_Malik]

main nay tau kahin bhi yeh nahi kaha kay app nay love marriges ka tazkara kiya hay........

app har baat ko apni taraf kyon lay kar ja rahi hain.... yeh tau aik general disscussion hay na.....

aur love marraiges ka tazkara main nay is liye kiya kay Parents say ikhtalaf shaadi main tabhi hota hay jab banday ki chahat kahin aur ho.... warna ikhtalaf ki koi zaroorat nahi hoti.... yeh tau aik understood si baat hay

Dont Mind MAm Lekin Mujhay Lagta hai k aap keh kar apnay Alfaz bhool jati hain.....!!
Love Marriages Ki baat aap ne start ki hai....Main ne nahi...!!

Jazbat se parh rahi hoti tu Jawab nahi deti main....Mere opinion ko aap jab kuch aur keh kar Pesh karaian gi tu Sar main Dard tu ho ga..!!

Sorry...!!
Allah Hafiz...!!

main bhool rahi hnnn ya app sahi tarah parh nahi rahi.....

main nay isi liye apni hi kahi hoi post ko quote kr k highlight bhi kar diya hay....

aur app khud hi dekh lain apna andaz...

[Alina]

Ji bilkul app apnain Hazoor PBUH ki zingai ko........................ is say behter koi option kisi ki zindagi main nahi..... per kya HAzoor PBUH ki zindagi main say apnanay k liye yehi aik baat hay.....

jitni behas hum yahan love marriage aur cast marriages k liye kar rahay hain... kash kisi aur baat k liye karte.......... k namaz parho, Quran parho, Apnay ird gird k mustahiq logo ko dhoondho aur un ki madad karo.... etc.....

Nahi Alina bilkul bhi haq hasil nahi hay kisi bhi insaan ko k wo is tarah say Hazoor PBUH ka zikr kare jiss tarah app ny apni post main kiya... sorry to say but you were very rigid in that.

Aur koi bht bara masla ho tau wahan Un ki baat lai bhi jaye per yeh koi aisa issue nahi....

Aur chalain agar UN k is issue ko lana bhi hay tau app batain kitni Love Marraiges ki Hazoor PBUH nay....??? koi aik????

Koi aik bhi nahi.... tau jo kaam unhoo nay kiya hi nahi.... us kaam k liye kese app Unhay quote kr sakti hain....???

AAp yeh post phir se parh lain,...!!

[Alina]

I think Main ne thora buhat ap ko bhi hurt kar diya....So m sorry....!!=(
Lekin aap sach main bhool rahi hai....!!

[Alina]

Alina app itna rigid kyon hain..... aur app yeh kis baat ko kis baat say mila rahi hn......

Hazoor PBUH nay jo bhi step uthaye thay wo Allah ki sarbulandi k liye thay na kay apni shaadi k liye....(Naooz o Billah, mere munh main khaak)

aur jiss tarah app keh rahi hain kay apni family ki parwah chor dain aur sach ka saath dain........ tau Hazoor PBUH nay bhi jo kuch bhi kiya apnay baron ki izaat ko thais pohnchaye baghir kiya.... aur un kay chacha un kay saath thay.... shayed yeh yaad nahi app ko....unhooo nay us ka bhi ehtraam kiya jo un kay saath tha... aur us ka bhi jo nahi tha....

wo jang o jadal per utar atay tau Islam kabhi na phailta....unhoo nay apnay ikhlaq say na sirf Islam ka sar buland kiya balkay duniya ko ikhlaq ki ala misal di.....

aur kiss sach ki baat kar rahi hain app..... aik larka ya larki jinhay milay howe kuch hi arsa huwa hota hay ... yeh sachhhh

ya phir yeh sach kay parents jinhoo nay hamain paida kiya, aur jinhay hum barson say jantay hain aur jin k say hamara khoon ka rishta hay, aur jahan jiss jagah ajj hum kharay hain un parents ki wajah say hain....

aur un kay is ehsaan ka badla hum is tarah chukain kay un ki parwah na karain.....

sorry to say alina per kya app apni parents k liye esa sochti hain......

parents kitnay hi buray kyon na hoon un ka ehtram baharhaal hum per lazim hay.... Wo app ko is duniya main laye hain.... wo chatay tau app ka wajood tak na hota is duniya main....

Aur wese bhi is chotay say haqeer mamlay main Hazoor PBUH ko lana aur itna rigidly bolna theek nahi.....yeh srasar gustakhi hay....

jinho ne Apnay aap ko in Rasmo ka Victim kaha...un ko itna batana chahon gi
K in Rasmo ka Bycott wo log nahi kar saktay jo in rasmo k mannay walay nahi....In rasmo ka Bycott sirf wohi log kar saktay hain jo in k mannay walay hain....jab Hamaray Nabi ne Naboat ka Elan kia tha tu log yeh bahanay dhoond rahay thay k hamaray nabi per kia ilzam lagaya jaaye....Akhir main un ko yeh kaha gaya tha k wo Aisa kalam kehtay hain jo Baap ko Betay se Aur bhai ko bhai se Alag kar deta hai aur ager aa ghaur karain tu ik tarah se unho ne hamaray nabi per jhoota ilzam nahi lagaya tha....
Kehnay ka maqsad yeh hai....K jab Sach ka saath dena ho tu phir Maa baap...Behan bhai....Khandaan ki PArwa nahi kartay....Sirf Allah Per bharoosa rakhtay hain......
Jab Hazrat Ibrahim A.s ne Sach ko pehchana tha tu Yaqeen khuda per kar liya tha.....Phir Allah ne un ka 7 diya......unho ne apnay baap se hi nahi....Poori basti se baghawat ki....uss ka nateeja aap jantay hain....!

Ap tu iss Rasam ko Haath se bhi aur zaban se bhi rook saktay hain.....
Lekin Ager nahi kar saktay kuch tu Atleast Ehad kar lain....Jesa Nadeem bhai ne kaha....!!

Main ne bhi Dono posts Quote kar dii hain....Iss post ki summary Last lines thi....Jis main main ne kaha tha k haath aur zaban se rook saktay hain...Warna Nadeem bhai ki baaton per ghaur karain....
Aur aap ne iss posts ko Parents k khilaaf baghawat bana diya....!!
Ager aisa hota tu main last lines na kehti...!!

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[AQN]

Very nice AQN.... app ki aik aik baat say mujhay itifaq hay.....

aub app kahain gi ka hain yeh esay keh rahi thi uper aur yahan bilkul hi changed?????

well wo upper main nay aik pehlu per baat ki thi, ji bilkul app nay aik aik lafz sahi kaha...... mujhay kisi baat say inkar nahi.... per jo baat main nay ki wo bhi sahi hay

main khud is cast system ko nahi manti, aur mere father side main almost shaadiyan out of cast aur love marriages hi hoti hain......

main nay sirf itna samjhanay ki koshish ki kay ham apnay parents ko nakhush kar k khush nahi reh saktay.... aur un ka ehtraam hum per lazim hay...

aur kuch apnay experiences share kiye app say

nahi I didn't think ki ab aik dam sey change kaisey : ) ........ her cheez k bohat sey pehloo aur bohat si misaalein hotein hein ... baaz misaalein aisi hoti hein jinhey hum exactly uska pehloo nahi keh saktey aur wo 'Exception is always there' k zumrey mey aajaati hey ... cz is dunya mey koee bhi maa'mla 100% defined ya aik jaisa nahi hota hey jagah ...

jab hum kehtey hein ki 'baat sey thoda ikhtelaa' tu us waqt muraad ye hoti ki hamari nazar mey us bandey ki soch General k bajaey Personal zeyada hojaati hey ... yani hamey lagta hey ki wo banda in general nahi bulkey apney experiences ki basis pey zeyda focused hey ... theek hey na! ... werna sahi ya ghalat tu koee bhi nahi hota in maamloon mey .. jahan baat feeling aur experience ki aajaaey ... zahir hey jaisey I can't say ki ur wrong that things r not well at ur side regarding family bond (or just bond with father).

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[AQN]

main nay sirf itna samjhanay ki koshish ki kay ham apnay parents ko nakhush kar k khush nahi reh saktay.... aur un ka ehtraam hum per lazim hay...

aur kuch apnay experiences share kiye app say

Well ... haan albata aik baat per main app se thora sa ikhtalaf rakhti hn wo yeh jo app nay kaha kay zaroori nahi k parents sahi faisla hi karain..........

well ya rite i agree... per parents ki intenstions ghalat nahi hoti aur un ka experience baharhal hum say bht zyada hota hay... agar un ka kiya gaya koi faisla kabhi aulad k liye bura nikal bhi aye tau unhay qasoor war nahi samjhna chahiye kyonke beharhal wo Allah tau nahi k sahi sahi judgement karain.

Per i again repeat k parents kabhi bhi apni aulad ka bura nahi chahtay...

and yes.... individual level pay we all should educate our elders to come out of this old and Hindu culture.


Aik baat aur app ny kahi k jahan mohabbat ho wahan adjustments ho hi jati hain...................... well kehna bht asan aur karna utna hi mushkil............

wo sari mohabatin dam tor de deti hain shaadi k baad, arrange marriage aur love marriege, dono hi couples ko agar bitha kar un say yeh poocha jaye k app main kis baat per larai hoti hay tau 99% wajoohat family related hn gi aur un kay appas ka 1% issue bus aween sa hi ho ga.....

Aur yeh haqeeqat hay kay couples apni families ki larai larte hain, un k apnay under tau isseus hotay hi nahi.....

bus wohi baat na.................. practical is quite harsh and difficult

jee aur main ney bhi ye baat nahi ki ki parents k intention ghalat hotey hein ya wo jaan boojh ker bachchon ko takleef detay hein .... (thou aisi bhi misaal hoti hey ki parents jaantey hein ki unkey faisley sey unka bachcha takleef mey hey aur ye k uski pasand qabil-e-tareef bhi hey per wohi so-called biraadri system n all that unkey aarey aajata jisey wo apni ya apni biraadri ki waja sey nahi chhor saktey) ........

I meant ki zaroori nahi k her baar agar bachhon k khud k faisley aur parents k faisley ko compare karein tu hamesha parents ka faisla behtar ... cz I believe koee bhi doosra shakhs kabhi bhi ye baat aap sey behtar nahi jaan sakta jab ko ko pata ho k aap ki khushi kis mey hey .... logon ko parakhney aur zindagi ki unch neech ko jaanney k leye jo tajraba chahiyey hota hey wo parents k paas zeyada in general ... per phir bhi hum mey sey bohat sey naee nasal k log bhi itney mature hotey hein ki wo bhi her baat ko soch samajh k hi koee faisla kertey hein aur wo sirf jazbaati faisla nahi hota ...
so jaaney unjaaney mey parents ghalati ker jaatey hein jab apna faisla bachchey ki pasand k khilaaf us pey musaalt kertey hein

I have a czn jis ney pasand ki shaadi ki aur kaafi I wud say Jadd-o-Jahad k baad ... his parents weren't agree especially my khala jo k uski shaadi k din tak ya shayed us key baad bhi kaafi naraz .. chup .. koee participation nahi waisi jaisi aik maan kerti hey .. bas sab k samjhaney pey raazi hogaein thein ... n everyone was feeling bad for her as well as for the couple ... jitney tense wo dono they apni shaadi jaisey ahum mauqey pey us sey koee bhi andaza laga sakta k wo sab kuch paa k bhi khush nahi ....

khair later the one daughter in law who was my khala's pasand n total arrange marriage (elder czn) us k saath conflict .. n maamla alehda rehnay pey end hua aur ab wo beta betay jaisey nahi ... jab ki this czn says always ki I can't leave my parents ... aik dafa unki baat nahi maani me ney aur unko koee takleef denay ka soch bhi nahi sakta n they all ALHAMDOLILAH living together with a good bond with each other. so agar parents bhi thoda dil bada ker lein tu koee itna ghalat faisla bhi ya ghalat output bhi nahi aata saamney ... baqi yea aulaad honey k naatey hamara tu farz hey hi unka ehtraam kerna .. is sey tu koee ikhtelaaf hi nahi : )

rahi baat adjust honey ki ... tu meri muraad sirf life partner sey muhabbat nahi ... I don't believe ki koee shakhs kisi sey muhabbat ka dawa kaisey ker sakta hey jab tak ki usey uskey ahum rishtoon sey zara bhi muhabbat na ho!! ....... life partner sey tu muhabbat ho hi jaati aur her koee hi kerta ... ahum cheez ki ye muhabbat family k saath n vice versa bhi hey k nahi ... agar aik ladki aisey ghar mey jaati jahan sab usey muhabbat kertey hon tu ab bhi main yehi kahoon gee k koee cheez itni mushkil nahi chahey rehan sehan kitney hi mukhtalif ... chahey apney ghar kuch na kiya ho ladki ney aur susral mey poori zimmedaari n all that .......... piyaar hota hey tu insan automatically aik doosrey (yani sab ghar waley) ki pasand mey dhal jaata ... piyaar na ho tu mamooli si cheezien bhi tension ka baes ...

no doubt kehna asaan hota hey ... per I believe it too ... e.g I wud not like to get married to someone whose family won't like me much even if I like/love that person ... bcz I know if am going to live with his family and if I won't get love from them or won't love them, then it will eventually create problems b/w me n my partner not matter how deeply we wud in love with each other.
thats why I said so : ) ......... ye sirf zabani jama kharch nahi tha ki laffazzi ker rahi main yahan : ) u know

aur kehtey hein na muhabbat apni jagah khud bana leti hey ... I know it must be hard ki koee aap ko na pasnad kerta ho phir bhi aap sabar sey kaam letey huey uskey saath behtar rahein usey muhabbat karein ... per bas I feel ki agar hum aisa ker lein tu dilon mey jagah zaroor bana saktey hein kisi k bhi chahey kitna hi na pasnad wo shakhs shuru mey hamey kerta ho ... baqi as I said exceptions r always there ... n fate plays a vital role too n at times we can't do n get any better no matter how hard we try

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