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Salam Fbians...
Jesa k sab jantay hain k hamari society main Aisay buhat se log hain jo Apni Cast ko buhat Aala samajhtay hain Aur dosri Cast main ussi tarah uthtay bethtay hain jesay non muslims main uthtay bethtay hain.....Per jahan cast ki baat aa jaye tu Musalmaan Musalmaan ki apas main Behas ho jati hai Baaz ooqat baat qatal tak pohach jati hai...
Question mera Yeh hai k Aap log kia Samajay hain Iss Cast/Baradri System k baaray main???
Meri tamam Fbians se guzarish hai k plzzz apni Raaye ka yahan khul k izhar karain.....!!
Meri Muma kiun k Syed Family se belong karti hain...Tu main buhat se syed ko janti hon....In logon k baray main ager koi ik comment pass kar day...tu next banda kehta hai...K tauba karo Woh Banda Syed hai....!!
Aur yeh sirf mera point of view hai,,,,Ager kisi ko bura Lagay tu m sorry....."Allah talah ne Quran-e-pak main Uss k Mannay walon ko Bus ik Naam se Pukara hai Aur wo hai Moomin.....Tu jo log apnay aap ko Sidhi Baloochi.. Mahajir, punjabi, pathan....Ya koi Cast laga kar fakhar mehsoos kartay hain....
wo iss baat se Darain k kahiin Akhirat main Allah unhe unhi ki Cast se Na mukhatib kar lay....Bajaye musalmaan kehnay k"
walaikam assalam alina and to be honest i am so happy to see you initiate this topic.
islam ke followers ko hum musalmaan kehtey hain, aur her wo musalman jo Rasool SAW ki shariah, aur Allah Tallah ke ehkamaat per amal kertey hain, wo momin hain. yeh definitions hain
Islam sub continent main jungle ki aag ki terhaan tezi se phaila tha. aur sub se pehley "ACHOOT" cast in the hindus, embraced islam. kiyun ke islam ne barabri ka daras diya tha;
Aik hi suf main kharey ho gae mehmood o ayaz
na koi banda raha, na koi banda nawaz
Rasool SAW ne jub apna paigham pohancha diya aur khutba hajja tul wida main sub momino se confirmation le li, to unhon ne tub fermaya tha ke sub momin baraber hain, koi ameer kisi ghareeb se, koi kala kisi gorye se, koi chota kisi barey se kumter nahin, bertari sirf taqwa main hai. jo jitna muttaqi aur zahid hoga, Allah Tallah ke utna hi nazdeek hoga. Islam ne her kisam ki cast, zaat biraderi ya lineage ko disallow kiya hai.
mager afsos ke yehi naam nihaad musalmaan apney aap ko musalmaan kehtey bhi hain but castes, firqon main khud ko aisey divide kertey hain ke is baat per aik doosrey ka khoon bahaney se bhi daregh nahin kertey. meri nazer main aisa her banda jahil hai jo zaat biraderi main per ker islam ki rooh ko faramosh ker deta hai.
jahan tuk baat hai syed honey ki. to chunkey syed Rasool SAW ki aal main se hain, is liyeh ehteraam wajib zaroor hai, however, jaisa ke main ne pehley kaha ke being syed wont get you a free ticket to jannat. syed honey per gharoor kerna, gumaan kerna ke "hum ne to jannat main jana hai, hamarey saye main rahogey to bakhshey jaogey" etc etc is kisam ki jo be-buniyaad batain mash-hoor hain, ye sub be-sir o paa hain. syed kon hota hai gunah bakhashwaney wala?
to beta, pakistan main islam ke naam per biddatain kasrat se bhari hui hain. pakistan main islam ko bohat bigar diya gaya hai. firqawariat, zaat biraderi wo deemak hain jo imaan ko kha jati hain aur baghair imaan ke qaum ka kiya haal hota hai wo to sub hhi dekh rahey hain. aaj pakistani qaum mushkil main hai to us ki wajah yehi haii ke amaal kharab hain, aur amaal kharab honey ka mutlab hai ke apney tayeen sahi ker rahey hain but eventually they end up doing wrong.
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Alina (11-30-2009), Farhan (12-02-2009), Hearts_Princess (11-29-2009)
Very Nice topic ALina..
pata nai ye caste system kaha se nikla hay par mainay aaj tak ksii ki caste nahi pochi magar aksar logo nay mujh se NEt pe b pochi hay lol i wonder ab zaat dekh kar baat karengay kyawese meri mummy b kahty hain syedo ki respect karni chhaiye bcoz woh hazoor pak SAWW ki aal olad hain. i was reading today about albanians and albania aur un k baray may likha howa tha kay they call themselves ALBANIANS rather than muslim or christians.. and they are proud of being albanians. hmm log tau zatain dekh kar rishtay karte hain...
llolz aur i guess ye tab tak sahi nai ho ga jab tak parents kuch acha apni next generation ko nai sekhain gay. ye main is liye kah rahy hun kay mainay bohat suna hay kuch zaaton k khilaf... jab kay mujhe tau un bando may kuch burai nazar nai aaty thi. So parents bachon ka brain wash kar dete hain k ye sheikh hay paiso k pichay bhagta hoga.. jab k zatoon ka actions se kuch taluk hona tau nai chahiye
I think this needs to stop aur is k liye parents ka EDUCATED hona aur ISLAM k baray may sahi se janna zarori hay... kahnay ko hum muslims hain par islam par chaltay srf namaz rozay ki had tak hain.
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@ Nadeem bhai.....Ehtraam tu har musalmaan ka dosray musalmaan per farz hai....hamaray Nabi ne kaha hai k Baro ka Adab aur choton per shafqat karo...Mukhtasir yeh k Har insan ko respect do....!!
Islam ne har uss Farq ko khatam kia jo apas main jhagra aur fisaad Phelaaye....Aaj yeh Castes ka farq hamain ik 2sray se Alag kar raha hai....!!
@ Alveena.....Aap ne sahi kaha k aaj kal namaz roza rakh kar log khud ko musalman samajhtay hain....Lekin Asal musalmaan wo hai Jo apnay Deen ko aqal se Pehchanay.....Hamaray Nabi koi Parhay likhay nahi thay....Jab un per Quran ki Pehli Ayat NAzil huii thi K "Parho" tu unho ne Pereshan ho kar kaha tha k mujhay tu parhna nahi aata,,,,Beshak wo Buhat Aqal Walay thay.....Aur unho ne Khuda ko Aqal se Pehchana tha,,,,Quran Main bhi Kahiin Parhay likhay logon ko mukhatib nahi kia....Har jagah "Aqal Walon k liye is main nishaniyaan hain" iss tarah ki baatain bus Aqal walon k liye Quran main kahii gaee....!!
wo log jo apnay Aabaa-o-Ajdad k rules follow kartay aa rahay hain...Chahay Parh likh kar unho ne PhD kar liya ho Lekin un main Aqal Ki Be-inteha kami hai....Bcoz un ko jo rules un k Parents ne bata diye bus uss ko unho ne sab samajh liya....Lekin jo rules Allah ne bataye hain Un tak Un ki Aqal nahi jaati....!!
N Thanks for participating in this topic....
Wo tamam members jo islamic topic main itna participate nahi kartay un sab se guzarish hai k Chahay ik line Favour Ya Against ki Dain...Lekin apna Opinion yahan zaroor dain...!!
@Alvi...Albanians k baray main main ne yeh suna tha...Aur yahoodiyun k baaray main bhi Ap janti hon g k unhe bhi apnay yahoodi honay per buhat ghamand hai...Wo Kisi aur ko apnay mazhab main ghusnay nahi detay aur jo yahoodi koi Aur religion Qobool kar lain un ko apnay Halqay se Alag kar detay hain....Iss tarah Hinduoon main Bhi raat Paat per buhat Behas hai....Shayed Yeh Castes ka Jhagra Wahiin se musalmaano ne Adopt kia hai....!!
Aur aap ki iss baat se Main agree hon k Yeh sab Tab hi theek ho sakta hai...Jab Maa baap Apnay Bachon ko Free hand dain....Unhe Bound na karain.....Aur khud bhi inn Rasmo ka Bycott karain...!!
u r right.. aur unfortunately kuch log shadiyan b srf apni zaat k logo main hi karte hainOriginally Posted by Alina
Gone with Wind
Alina ne yahoodiyon ki baat ki to main aik baat kehta chaloon ke yahoodiyon ka ittehaad misaali hai.
un ka apas main mazhabi ittehad itna zaberdast hai ke yahoodi chahey kisi bhi mulk ka rehaishi ho, wo apna markaz ISRAEL ko samajhta hai aur yahoodiyat ke liyeh hama waqt participate kerta hai jo bhi wo ker sakey.
ye ittehaad humain islam sikhata hai. but afsos ke baqi mazahib hamarey mazhab ki sikhai hui baton per amal kerkey tarakki kertey hain aur hum log apney hi mazhab ko sir siri dekh ker guzer jatey hain aur ultimately jahalat ke gehrey kuwain main dhanstey jatey hain
Allah Tallah muslemeen ki halat per rehem fermae, ameen
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@ ALvi...jee bilkul...Aur iss mamlay main itnay sensitive hotay hain k Ager In ki Saggi Aulaad bhi kisi dosri cast main Shadi kar lain tu Zaat k naam per Apni Aulaad ko bhi Qurban kar detay hain...Aur kehtay hain k Izat k naam per kia Sab kuch.....!!
@ Nadeem bhai...Exactly....yahoodi Waqi aisi qaum hai tu apas main nahi battay huye....Sab ki ik hi pehchan hai...Un k haan firqay nahi hai....Jab k Baqi jitnay bhi mazahib hai....Christains hon....hindu ho....Ya musalmaan,,,.Afsos k ik hi mazhab k log kaee kaee firqon Zaaton main Battay huye hain....!!
Shayed Issi Waja se Islam Khatray main hai....Kiun k iss k maannay walay ik dosray per ungli uthatay hain....ik dosray ko KUFar k Fatway detay hain....ik dosray se khud ko Aala Samajhtay hain...Apnay Achay Amalon Per ghamand kartay hain....Aur buray Amaal ki Tasheeh nahi kartay....!!
Alina, you might have heard this proverb;
"do mullaon main murghi haram"
Rasool Allah SAW ne irshad fermaya tha ke un ke baad un ki ummat main 73 firqe ho jaengey aur un main se sirf aik durust hoga. Jub sahaba e karam ne poocha ke Ya Rasool Allah SAW, wo konsa firqa hoga? to Nabi e Kareem SAW ne irshad fermaya ke wo jo meri sunnah per amal kerta raha.
to beta, in short, aaj kul shia hon, syed hon, sunni hon, sub yehi samajhtey hain ke wo durust hain. Main firqon se balater ho ker sochta hoon. Hamari history main imaam betahasha guzrey hain. chahey wo suniyon ke imam hain ya shiyon ke. un ki jo batain sunnat e Rasool SAW se mutabiqat rakhti hain, main un ki her wo baat manta hoon aur amal kerney ki koshish bhi kerta hoon. Mager jahan sunnat se duur koi baat nazer aati hai main us ko reject ker deta hoon.
Main khud ko na sunni kehta hoon na shia na devbandi na barelvi. Main Alhamdolillah sirf aur sirf musalmaan hoon. Ager her musalmaan sirf yehi sochey aur imaamon ko follow kerney ki bajae Rasool Allah SAW ki shariah aur sunnah ko follow karey, to koi wajah nahin ke islam main yaganigat aur ittehaad paida na ho. Islam sirf aik mazhab hai. is mian division kerney wala qayamat ke roz Allah SWT ke azaab ka mustahiq hai. Even jin imamon ko follow kerney ke chakker main khoon bahatey hain ye log, un imamon ne bhi kabhi yeh nahin fermaya ke unhain follow kiya jae, unhon ne sirf sunnah aur ahadees ko explain kiya, but political fawaed ke liyeh followers ne apni apni derh iint ki masajid bana lin jo ke islam main tafurqeh ka baes bani.
aur issi silsiley ki extended form hai zaat biraderi.
aik logic yeh samajh main aaney wali baat hai ke puraney waqton main jo log kareeb rehtey they wo aik doosrye ko jantey the, lihaza rishtey apas main jaan pehchaan walon se hi kertey the. but phir is reet ne ameeron ko apni zaat bananey ka mokah diya aur ghareeb bechara us waqt ke hisaab se neechey ki zaat paa saka. yeh trend hinduon se nikla hai aur musalmaanon ne bohat karro-fer se is ko apnaya hai. Allah SWT ka irshad hai ke jo kuffar ki rasoom ki nakal karaingey, wo unhi jaisey ho jaenge.
pus aaj zaroorat hai ke hum is so-called hadood se bahir niklain aur islam ko sirf islam ke tor per lain. ittehaad bain ul muslemeen ki ashad zaroorat hai. mager aaj ka musalmaan tafarqeh main per ker, daulat ke nashey main Khuda aur Khuda ke ehkamaat ko bhula baitha hai.
Allah SWT se dua hai ke musalmanon ko hidayat ata fermaen, ameen
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very good topic! there is no such thing as caste in islam! as NB and alveena have said...the reason people do this is cuz India and Pakistan were one single country and so majority of things that the people of pakistan and india follow are from hindu decent! it's kinda sad but also a reality...
I come from a memon family and memons are known to marry in their own community NEVER outside EVER. My parents are one of the exceptions...my sister and i are married into urdu speaking families and this is the first time ever it has happened from both my dadhiyal and nanihiyal but my parents say that as long as the person is a good muslim doesn't matter if they are punjabi,, urdu speaking, memon, pashto whatever but they WOULD care if the person is not a pakistani cuz they care about pakistani culture...so yeah there should not be any caste stuff but majority of the people follow it i never get why though!
as for Syedi and respecting them i just don't get that either...how are they from Hazoor (SAWW) aulad? HE (SAWW) didn't have any sons for THAT reason alone so that no one would be obliged to respect a person JUST cuz of their ancestry so just cuz a person is syedi doesn't mean you respect them, you respect a person REGARDLESS! that's my point of view
The downside of being better than everyone else is that people tend to assume you're pretentious.
rose, as for your question that Rasool Allah SAW did not have son.
You have answered it because Allah SWT knew that the followers would deviate from the right path and start (Nauzobillah) worshipping the people just because of their lineage.
Rasool SAW was given this sarcasm from the kuffar that you dont have a son, your race would be cut off etc etc. To which Allah SWT replied in surah kosar. Rasool Allah SAW's race started with his daughter, Hazrat Fatima RA. This is another point in islam that it doesnt necessarily has to be a son to carry on the name, even daughters can do it.
I have at many times had this discussion with the Syed people and they comit all sorts of sins, they lie, they steal, they sin and they cheat, even then they are superior? I also do not get the logic behind it. Rasool Allah SAW has said in his last sermon that the supriority is only in following Allah SWT's command and there is no other superiority to anyone above anyone. If syeds were supposedly to be respected, then he should have said something in his sermon. However, syeds do have this huge obligation and duty to follow the Sunnah of Nabi e Pak SAW. If they fail to do so, then my assumptions tell me they will be questioned with much more intensity than the rest of the muslims. In other words, they have greater responsibilities.
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Rosemean....Exactly....Hamaray Pyaray Nabi k liye ik Ayat bhi Nazil hui thi jis ka mafhoom hai k "Muhammad tum main se kisi Mard K baap nahi..."
Khandaan Baap se chalta hai....Maa se tarbiyat aati hai Bachon main....Ham Apnay Nasab se Pehchanay Jatay hain ..... NAsab(jo baap ka khandan hota hai) Lekin Ahl e Tash'eeh iss baat per fakhar kartay hain k Hazrat Imam hussain aur hazrat imam Hassan Ka Nasab bhi acha tha aur Hasab(Maa ka khandaan) bhi.....Yeh Hasab ka silsila shayed waheen se aaya hai....
Warna tu Shijra ik hi Banaya jata hai Aur wo hai Nasab ka,...!!
Tu Hamaray Nabi se Aagay un ka Khandaan nahi Chala....Jab k Dosri taraf...Allah Ne Hamain ik Alag pehchaan Di wo pehchaan hai Hamaray Pyaray Nabi ka Ummati hona.....Aur Tamam umato main Hamain Afzal qarar diya....Phir bhi ik Doray se Bartari k Bahanay dhondtay hain.....=(
Farhan (12-02-2009)
hmmmmm.......... nice topic indeed, i m example & a victim of that foolish cast n all... me ne sab parha sab ki batain .... n i am 100% agreed yeh nahi huni chahye ....... humary parents apni naak unchi rakhny k liye apni baraderi main ulaad qurban ker deny se b daregh nahi kerty .... lolzz
i think kuch solution huna chahye ..... is cast system ki jarrain itna mazbot hu chuki hain k is ko koi hila b nahi sakta ....roots nass nass main esy phel chuki hian k us main rehny waly wahen k hu k reh gye hian..
Any way thanx for the topic, i am glad you are discussing issue of my life
ilaaj kiyun nahin aur farq kiyun nahin perta farhan.
taleem zehnon ko wussat deti hai, shariah ko perh ker samajh ker implement kerney se insaan logically apna point of view deta hai.
her nasal yehi kehti hai ke kuch nahin ho sakta to phri eventually kuch nahin hoga.
parents ko mazhabi point of view se, ilm ke point of view se convince kerney ki koshish karo aur ager bilferz is main nakami bhi hoti hai to ehed ker lo ke jub khud us stage per pohancho gey to is fazool tradition ko ghar se bahir nikal phainko gey. aisa ker sako to hamari aaney wali naslon ke liyeh ye duniya behter place hogi.
zaroori nahin ke derakht laganey wala, us derakht ka fruit bhi khaa sakey. in order to secure our future generations, we have to take steps.
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jinho ne Apnay aap ko in Rasmo ka Victim kaha...un ko itna batana chahon gi
K in Rasmo ka Bycott wo log nahi kar saktay jo in rasmo k mannay walay nahi....In rasmo ka Bycott sirf wohi log kar saktay hain jo in k mannay walay hain....jab Hamaray Nabi ne Naboat ka Elan kia tha tu log yeh bahanay dhoond rahay thay k hamaray nabi per kia ilzam lagaya jaaye....Akhir main un ko yeh kaha gaya tha k wo Aisa kalam kehtay hain jo Baap ko Betay se Aur bhai ko bhai se Alag kar deta hai aur ager aa ghaur karain tu ik tarah se unho ne hamaray nabi per jhoota ilzam nahi lagaya tha....
Kehnay ka maqsad yeh hai....K jab Sach ka saath dena ho tu phir Maa baap...Behan bhai....Khandaan ki PArwa nahi kartay....Sirf Allah Per bharoosa rakhtay hain......
Jab Hazrat Ibrahim A.s ne Sach ko pehchana tha tu Yaqeen khuda per kar liya tha.....Phir Allah ne un ka 7 diya......unho ne apnay baap se hi nahi....Poori basti se baghawat ki....uss ka nateeja aap jantay hain....!
Ap tu iss Rasam ko Haath se bhi aur zaban se bhi rook saktay hain.....
Lekin Ager nahi kar saktay kuch tu Atleast Ehad kar lain....Jesa Nadeem bhai ne kaha....!!
Well yeh topic esa nahi tha kay main jump in karrtiiii kyonke main avoid hi karti hnn behas wehas... per app ki baat nahi mujhay majboor kiya farhan kay main yahan reply karonn....hmmmmm.......... nice topic indeed, i m example & a victim of that foolish cast n all... me ne sab parha sab ki batain .... n i am 100% agreed yeh nahi huni chahye ....... humary parents apni naak unchi rakhny k liye apni baraderi main ulaad qurban ker deny se b daregh nahi kerty .... lolzz
i think kuch solution huna chahye ..... is cast system ki jarrain itna mazbot hu chuki hain k is ko koi hila b nahi sakta ....roots nass nass main esy phel chuki hian k us main rehny waly wahen k hu k reh gye hian..
Any way thanx for the topic, i am glad you are discussing issue of my life
u said u r a victom of this cast system.... well app esa kyon sochtay hain....why not take it positive..... Parents jo kuch bhi karte hain soch samjh kar aur apni aulad k faiday k liye karte hain....
aur rahi baat yeh kay cast main shadi karna kyon zaroori hay parents ki nazar main.... well sab say pehla point tau yeh k ghar ki larkiyan/larkay daikhay bhalay hotay hain, aur zindagi main kabhi oonch neech ho tau aik hi family honay ki wajah say mamlaat asani say smait liye jatay hain... zaat bradari ka jhagra elehda se issue nahi banta....
aur sab say bara aur important point.... rasm-o-riwaj......rehan sehan
different cast main yeh cheezain mukhtalif hoti hain..... yahan tak kay main nay tau same cast main bhi faraq dekha hay.....
larka tau in cheezon main adjust kar laita hay kyonke wo dominating hay per larki k liye mushkil ho jata hay.....
main bhi is cheez ko nahi manti thi.... per i experinced...
meri khala ki baiti ki shaadi hoi, thay tau wo same cast hi.... per Lahore k nahi balkay tobataik sing k thay....
as we all know k valima kay baad larki aur aur larkay ko ghar latay hain larki kay ghar.....
per janab jab hum apni khala zaad ko lainay gaye tau us kay susral walon nay refuse kar diya .... k g hamaray haan yeh riwaj nahi.......... and we all were.... wahan acha khasa jhagra hotay hotay reh gaya.... unhoo nay nahi anay diya khair g larki ko........
aur aub bhi wo usay anay nahi dete... k hamaray haan riwaj nahi hay maan baap k ghar ja ja kar rehne ka.............
hum aub sochtay hain kay haye Allah family main hi kar laitay.... aur phir wahan un ka rehan sehan khana peena bhi bht different hay.... wo bichari wahan soookh kar kanta ho gai hay......
tau aub dekh lain yeh same cast ka haal hay, tau agar cast elehda ho tau kitna faraq ho sakta hay......
its really hard to adjust for a girl....
aur 3rd point ........ apnay parents ko na khush kar k jo faislay kiye jatay hain wo kabhi khushi nahi dete.......
main kese kahon..... per yeh meri zindagi ka almiyah hay...... mere mom dad ki shaadi.....they both belong to different cast...
meri mom ki shaadi love hay, aur mere dad ki taraf say aranged.... mere nana is rishtay pay khush nahi thay, cast issue say barh kar jo wajah thi wo yeh kay wo larkay say mutaliq mutmain nahi thay... per pyar tau andha hota hay na so meri mom nay pata nahi kya kya kar ke dad se shaadi ki, nana abu nay is dar se ammi ki shaadi kr di k larki zaat kahin kuch ghalat na kar lay.... per wo zehni tor per kabhi dad ko damad tasleem nahi kar paye....
mom ko dad k ghar a kar pata chala kay sirf wo hi dad say love karti hn dad nahi, aur phir diff cast ki wajah se diff mahol.... she was totally broken....
main detail main nahi jana chahti per......... meri mom nay saari zindagi suffer kiya hay aur aub bhi kar rahi hn, aub tau wo khud kehti hain k kaash main apnay walid ki baat maan laiti....un kay is faislay ka asar sirf un ki zindagi per hi nahi hamari yani meri aur mere bhai ki zindagi per bhi para hay.... hamain hamaray nankay nay achi tarah say accept nahi kiya....... hamain wo haqeer samjha jata hay.... awal tau koi milta nahi milay tau bus.... aur tau aur dadka bhi kuch kam nahi.... koi kaam jo hum nay mom se seekha ho tau us per yeh suunay ko milta hay kay hain na fair maan da khoon.... enoo ki tameez
mom dad ki kabhi nahi bani... mom dad main love dhoondhti rahi aur dad shayed love k liye banay hi nahi, aur hamara ghar janat bannay ki bajaye jahanm ban gaya.............
So descion against ur parents is a complete disaster...
4th and the last...... pehle tau koshish karain kay apnay parents ko samjhain... per agar wo nahi mantay aur app un ki zid ya khwahish kay agay sar jhukatay hain aur apni khushi un ki khushi k liye qurban kar dete hain.... tau Allah Talla zaroor app ko is ka ajar day ga..... kam se kam app kisi aik jagah tau surkhroo hoon gain na...
aur agar parents nay ziyadti ki hay tau choot un ki bhi nahi ho gi....
Farhan..... app plz aesa mat sochain..... apni khushi ko qurban karna koi asan nahi hota..... i can feel ur pain.... hatts off to you.....Allah tala app ko is qurbani ka zaroor ajar day ga.... and i must say it is a wise descion... kyonke parents ko na khush kar k kabhi koi khush nahi rehta.... aur esi life ka kya faida phir...
Main dua karn gi k Allah tala app ko hamesha khush rakhay....Ameen Sum Ameen
Ji NB i totally agree with ur point......
ajj kay door main jo nai nasal hay na usi ko yeh step uthana hay.....koshish kar k, maan baap ko educate kar k sahi Islam un per wazeh kar ke....
per ghalat taleem aur rasm-o-rivaj itna sirayat kar gaye hain k hamaray jismon main khoon ki jagah yehi dor rahay hain.......
per mujhay poora yaqeen hay kay yeh jo nasal is crisis ko face kar rahi hay wo jiss nasal ko parwan charhaye gi wo hi hamaray liye aik nai ubharti hoi sehat mand nasal ho gi NB, and i am really looking fwd to it....
Alina app itna rigid kyon hain..... aur app yeh kis baat ko kis baat say mila rahi hn......
Hazoor PBUH nay jo bhi step uthaye thay wo Allah ki sarbulandi k liye thay na kay apni shaadi k liye....(Naooz o Billah, mere munh main khaak)
aur jiss tarah app keh rahi hain kay apni family ki parwah chor dain aur sach ka saath dain........ tau Hazoor PBUH nay bhi jo kuch bhi kiya apnay baron ki izaat ko thais pohnchaye baghir kiya.... aur un kay chacha un kay saath thay.... shayed yeh yaad nahi app ko....unhooo nay us ka bhi ehtraam kiya jo un kay saath tha... aur us ka bhi jo nahi tha....
wo jang o jadal per utar atay tau Islam kabhi na phailta....unhoo nay apnay ikhlaq say na sirf Islam ka sar buland kiya balkay duniya ko ikhlaq ki ala misal di.....
aur kiss sach ki baat kar rahi hain app..... aik larka ya larki jinhay milay howe kuch hi arsa huwa hota hay ... yeh sachhhh
ya phir yeh sach kay parents jinhoo nay hamain paida kiya, aur jinhay hum barson say jantay hain aur jin k say hamara khoon ka rishta hay, aur jahan jiss jagah ajj hum kharay hain un parents ki wajah say hain....
aur un kay is ehsaan ka badla hum is tarah chukain kay un ki parwah na karain.....
sorry to say alina per kya app apni parents k liye esa sochti hain......
parents kitnay hi buray kyon na hoon un ka ehtram baharhaal hum per lazim hay.... Wo app ko is duniya main laye hain.... wo chatay tau app ka wajood tak na hota is duniya main....
Aur wese bhi is chotay say haqeer mamlay main Hazoor PBUH ko lana aur itna rigidly bolna theek nahi.....yeh srasar gustakhi hay....
Well yeh topic esa nahi tha kay main jump in karrtiiii kyonke main avoid hi karti hnn behas wehas... per app ki baat nahi mujhay majboor kiya farhan kay main yahan reply karonn....
u said u r a victom of this cast system.... well app esa kyon sochtay hain....why not take it positive..... Parents jo kuch bhi karte hain soch samjh kar aur apni aulad k faiday k liye karte hain....
aur rahi baat yeh kay cast main shadi karna kyon zaroori hay parents ki nazar main.... well sab say pehla point tau yeh k ghar ki larkiyan/larkay daikhay bhalay hotay hain, aur zindagi main kabhi oonch neech ho tau aik hi family honay ki wajah say mamlaat asani say smait liye jatay hain... zaat bradari ka jhagra elehda se issue nahi banta....
aur sab say bara aur important point.... rasm-o-riwaj......rehan sehan
different cast main yeh cheezain mukhtalif hoti hain..... yahan tak kay main nay tau same cast main bhi faraq dekha hay.....
larka tau in cheezon main adjust kar laita hay kyonke wo dominating hay per larki k liye mushkil ho jata hay.....
main bhi is cheez ko nahi manti thi.... per i experinced...
meri khala ki baiti ki shaadi hoi, thay tau wo same cast hi.... per Lahore k nahi balkay tobataik sing k thay....
as we all know k valima kay baad larki aur aur larkay ko ghar latay hain larki kay ghar.....
per janab jab hum apni khala zaad ko lainay gaye tau us kay susral walon nay refuse kar diya .... k g hamaray haan yeh riwaj nahi.......... and we all were
aur aub bhi wo usay anay nahi dete... k hamaray haan riwaj nahi hay maan baap k ghar ja ja kar rehne ka.............
hum aub sochtay hain kay haye Allah family main hi kar laitay.... aur phir wahan un ka rehan sehan khana peena bhi bht different hay.... wo bichari wahan soookh kar kanta ho gai hay......
tau aub dekh lain yeh same cast ka haal hay, tau agar cast elehda ho tau kitna faraq ho sakta hay......
its really hard to adjust for a girl....
aur 3rd point ........ apnay parents ko na khush kar k jo faislay kiye jatay hain wo kabhi khushi nahi dete.......
main kese kahon..... per yeh meri zindagi ka almiyah hay...... mere mom dad ki shaadi.....they both belong to different cast...
meri mom ki shaadi love hay, aur mere dad ki taraf say aranged.... mere nana is rishtay pay khush nahi thay, cast issue say barh kar jo wajah thi wo yeh kay wo larkay say mutaliq mutmain nahi thay... per pyar tau andha hota hay na so meri mom nay pata nahi kya kya kar ke dad se shaadi ki, nana abu nay is dar se ammi ki shaadi kr di k larki zaat kahin kuch ghalat na kar lay.... per wo zehni tor per kabhi dad ko damad tasleem nahi kar paye....
mom ko dad k ghar a kar pata chala kay sirf wo hi dad say love karti hn dad nahi, aur phir diff cast ki wajah se diff mahol.... she was totally broken....
main detail main nahi jana chahti per......... meri mom nay saari zindagi suffer kiya hay aur aub bhi kar rahi hn, aub tau wo khud kehti hain k kaash main apnay walid ki baat maan laiti....un kay is faislay ka asar sirf un ki zindagi per hi nahi hamari yani meri aur mere bhai ki zindagi per bhi para hay.... hamain hamaray nankay nay achi tarah say accept nahi kiya....... hamain wo haqeer samjha jata hay.... awal tau koi milta nahi milay tau bus.... aur tau aur dadka bhi kuch kam nahi.... koi kaam jo hum nay mom se seekha ho tau us per yeh suunay ko milta hay kay hain na fair maan da khoon.... enoo ki tameez
mom dad ki kabhi nahi bani... mom dad main love dhoondhti rahi aur dad shayed love k liye banay hi nahi, aur hamara ghar janat bannay ki bajaye jahanm ban gaya.............
So descion against ur parents is a complete disaster...
4th and the last...... pehle tau koshish karain kay apnay parents ko samjhain... per agar wo nahi mantay aur app un ki zid ya khwahish kay agay sar jhukatay hain aur apni khushi un ki khushi k liye qurban kar dete hain.... tau Allah Talla zaroor app ko is ka ajar day ga..... kam se kam app kisi aik jagah tau surkhroo hoon gain na...
aur agar parents nay ziyadti ki hay tau choot un ki bhi nahi ho gi....
Farhan..... app plz aesa mat sochain..... apni khushi ko qurban karna koi asan nahi hota..... i can feel ur pain.... hatts off to you.....Allah tala app ko is qurbani ka zaroor ajar day ga.... and i must say it is a wise descion... kyonke parents ko na khush kar k kabhi koi khush nahi rehta.... aur esi life ka kya faida phir...
Main dua karn gi k Allah tala app ko hamesha khush rakhay....Ameen Sum Ameen
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yes well said. but casts nahi huni chahye .... han parents apna haq rakhty hin choose kerny main or woh use b kerain 100 bismillah .... pr bound kerna nahi chahye .... yap u r right may b reality is diff k esa huta ho bahir shadiyon main per chances hain.
any ways ... cast thora bound kerthi hi .. groh bana diye ahl-e-imaan ne. but han parents k bary main tumhari bat cent persent right hi .... Maa baap woh hasti hin jin ka hum pe woh ehsan hi k sari zindagi un k paon dhodh se dho phir b kam hi ...
Those are my parents or ap ne Humari Nabi PBUH ki misal di to main bata do unhon ne yeh b kaha k unchi awaz main un se bat tak na kero or uff tak na kero .... to kahan likha hi k un se bagawat kero ? chalo man lia haq bat kehna theek hi to main ne b kahi haq bat k this isnt right or zid b ki per jab un k tootny ki bari ai to main peechy hat gya ... or yeh koi siyasi tehreek nahi thi jis pe baycott kerta ....
Nadeem bahi .... humary han aj tak jis ne yeh darakht lagaya hi us ko usi k parents ne goli mar di .... ya esa ker dia k dubara woh darakt ko pani deny k layk b na bacha .... u r right k this isnt good ... per yeh b to soochain bagawat kerain b to kin se ? apny maa baap se ? nahi nahi yeh jung esi hi jo duniya or akhrat dono main ruswah ker dy g .....
main manta hon fazool rasm hi per hum us hadh tak is main ghir chuky hain jahan pe humary parents b majboor hin .... u know kia huta hi esa kerny se... ager parents man jaty hain na ... to un ki family ko sab se alag ker dia jata hi ... na kushi main koi ata hi na ghami main .... or is tarhan nai nasal to ji sakti per old nahi .... or han new generation ager esa qadam utha le to pata kia huta hi .... awal to goli mar di jati hai... bohat hangamy huty hain ... ager larki waly achy or saddy hun to talaak kerwa li jati hi ,, ager hum pallah hun to khoon kharabah .... End yeh huta hi k aik neye rishty ki keemat atleast 10 gharon ko bugatna huti hi jin ka aik aik fardh kam hu jata hi ...or yeh consequences to kuch bhi nahi or bohat huta hi .... raha sawal Taleem ka to my dear bro taleem in ka kuch bigar na saki or na saky g ... main janta hun.
Well farhan... yeh bhi Hazoor PBUH nay farmaya hay kay tumhay qabeelon main bant diya takay tumhari shanakht ho...
tau cast kese na ho.... haan bus hum nay sirf shanakht tak ki baat mani aur baqi bhool gaye k apas main shaadiyan karo aur pyar o mohabbat spread karo....
Main bhi nahi manti cast mein per main nay jo baat ki wo bilkul haqeeqat hay koi mubalgha arai nahi, meri cousin k saath jo ho raha hay Allah kisi ki baiti kay saath na karay....
aur main nay tau apnay ird gird k experience say yehi nateeja nikala hay k insaan ko family say bahar shaadi nahi karni chahiye... family walay bhi bht hi bura haal karte hain, is liye family main bhi nahi karni chaiye.... in short banday ko shaadi hi nahi karni chahiyee.....lolzzzzzzzzzzz
Hearts_Princess (12-03-2009)
haan sahi kaha ... per hum ziyada hi bound hu gye na is system main ...han yeh sahi hi wessy shadi hi nahi kerni chahye tension hi khatam ....Well farhan... yeh bhi Hazoor PBUH nay farmaya hay kay tumhay qabeelon main bant diya takay tumhari shanakht ho...
tau cast kese na ho.... haan bus hum nay sirf shanakht tak ki baat mani aur baqi bhool gaye k apas main shaadiyan karo aur pyar o mohabbat spread karo....
Main bhi nahi manti cast mein per main nay jo baat ki wo bilkul haqeeqat hay koi mubalgha arai nahi, meri cousin k saath jo ho raha hay Allah kisi ki baiti kay saath na karay....
aur main nay tau apnay ird gird k experience say yehi nateeja nikala hay k insaan ko family say bahar shaadi nahi karni chahiye... family walay bhi bht hi bura haal karte hain, is liye family main bhi nahi karni chaiye.... in short banday ko shaadi hi nahi karni chahiyee.....lolzzzzzzzzzzz
@ Heer: You are right heer.
@ Farhan: meri baat ko misunderstand kiya tum ne farhan. main kisi bhi soorat main baghawat kerney ke haq mian nahin. Parents ko logically samjhana ferz hai but un se battameezi kerkey zaberdasti apni baat manwaney ke haq main nahin hoon main.
ager logically, islamic point of view se parents baat na manain to phir aap ke paas aur koi rasta nahin siwae un ke faislon per sir jhukaney ke. aur jis derakht ki aabiyari ki main baat ker raha hoon, us ka mafhoom yeh hai ke jis experience se aap khud guzerey ho, apni aulad ko us se mut guzaro,. and by that i dont mean to be liberal ke jee bacchey apney rishtey khud hi te ker rahey hain. no. bacchon ko sahi aur burey ka farq samjhao. bacchon ko cast aur beraderi ke nuqsanaat samjhao. ager ittefaaq se koi acha rishta available hai phir to it doesnt matter, but simply enforcing marriage with either too young or too old person just because he or she is from the cast and ignoring good people who are outside the cast, this is what i am against.
mera point samajhney ki koshish karo baccho
Pakistan is the Twenty20 Champions for the Year 2009
aik choti c baat add krta chalonga Nabe e Kareem saw ne apne akhri Khutba mein kuch es trah k alfaz banayan kiye they
" kisi kalay ko goray per aur kisi goray ko kalay per koe fauqeet hasil nhi, haan agar koe allah k nazdeek kisi se barh kr hai to woh apnay Amaal ki bunyad per hai"
Hazrat Bilal Habshi thi, Hadharat Salman Farsi they lekin kai mauqo per Nabe e Kareem saw ney unko apnay ehl mein shamil kr k pukara hai.
pakistan mein main ne yeh chez bahut note ki hai kuch log jo syed family se taluq rakhte hein gharoor se bharay howe nazar aate hein
mera nahi khayal keh kisi ko kisi Rasool ki nasibat se koe fauqeet hogi agar fauqeet hogi to woh sirf Amaal ki bunyadoon per
Thankyou NB :D@ Heer: You are right heer.
@ Farhan: meri baat ko misunderstand kiya tum ne farhan. main kisi bhi soorat main baghawat kerney ke haq mian nahin. Parents ko logically samjhana ferz hai but un se battameezi kerkey zaberdasti apni baat manwaney ke haq main nahin hoon main.
ager logically, islamic point of view se parents baat na manain to phir aap ke paas aur koi rasta nahin siwae un ke faislon per sir jhukaney ke. aur jis derakht ki aabiyari ki main baat ker raha hoon, us ka mafhoom yeh hai ke jis experience se aap khud guzerey ho, apni aulad ko us se mut guzaro,. and by that i dont mean to be liberal ke jee bacchey apney rishtey khud hi te ker rahey hain. no. bacchon ko sahi aur burey ka farq samjhao. bacchon ko cast aur beraderi ke nuqsanaat samjhao. ager ittefaaq se koi acha rishta available hai phir to it doesnt matter, but simply enforcing marriage with either too young or too old person just because he or she is from the cast and ignoring good people who are outside the cast, this is what i am against.
mera point samajhney ki koshish karo baccho
me ko pata hay app apni siso ki baat ko ghalat keh hi nahi saktay
huggggggggggieseesssssssssssssss NB
Ji NB app nay Farhan ko bilkul sahi samjhaya......:claps:
Oiiiiiiii Allah Farhan itni khatanaak batain na karain, chill yaarrrr ......
kuch nahi hota.... aesa hota zaroor hay per i guess sirf rural areas.... per u never know urban sides bhi esi harkat karain, kuch bhi ho sakta hay... i agree.....
pata nahi is aik baat per akar parents kyon itni zid karte hain.... khair.... chalain koi baat nahi.... app pareshan na hoon.... Allah nay jo bhi banday k liye decide kiya hota hay na banday ki aqal naqis hay usay samjhany k liye... Per 70 mothers say zyada pyar karnay wala bht behtereen hi sochta hay apnay banday k liye.....
Is liye app bus Allah say dua karain k Allah app ko sabar aur himmat day. Ameen.
Aamir..............tum mujh say naraz ho??? daikhooo aub man regular hn :D
haan naraz hon kyon keh ap bhag jati ho aur batati bhi nhi
hmmmm I guess kaafi kuch bola ja chuka hey yahan .... I couldn't read all the messages but some form this page.
Let me speak of my perception ...
Jahan tak shanakht (identity) ki baat hey cast waghera theek ... k chalo pata chal jaata kon kis nasal sey taaluq rakhta hey n so on .... but zahir hey is baat ko kisi maa'mley mey aik dewaar bana k beech mey khada ker dena ye bilkul ghalat.
aur shaadi k maa'mloon mey ye bohat common si baat hey aur hazaroon example aaj k daur mey bhi ....
Solution is we need to educate our elders in this regard ... in a polite way ... in an understandable way ... satisfy them with logic and reasons.
main heer ki is baat sey itna ittefaaq nahi karoon gee ki parents her haal mey sahi faisla hi kertey hein ... amoman ye parents hi hotey hein jo is qism ki zid baandh k na sirf apney bachchon ki zindagiyon aur khushi ko dao pey lagaatey hein bulkey baaz dafa behtareen rishtey sirf isi basis pey thukra bhi deye jaatey ...
her dafa parents ye nahi dekh saktey ki aaj ka naujawan kiya chahta hey when it comes to life partner ... jis tarah kisi bhi aur field mey experience k saath saath Fresh Ideas us cheez ki progress k leye zaroori hotey hein usi tarah aik naee nasal ki soch bhi bohat ehmiyat ki haamil bashamol unkey parents k tajarbaat k .... so parents need to be little flexible if all the other things seem good in a person their son/daughter want to get married.
haan aulaad honey k naatey hamara farz banta k hum her mumkin koshish karein k unki khushi ko apni khushi pey fauqiyat dein ... agar parents apna farz nahi nibha rahey tu chalo uch kho k bhi hamey achchi aulaad honey ka aizaaz tu mil hi jaaey ga ... per bohat zeyada zeyaadti sehna aur ghalat cheez ko promote kerna bhi ghalat ... so I think in such scenario we need to analyze the whole thing very thoroughly ki konsa step behtar hoga jismey sab ka nuqsan kam sey kam ho ....
As for the thing ki biradri mey adjustment hoti aasani sey ... tu I don't think its that important jis ki waja sey ghair biradri k behtareen option chhor dyey jaaein .......... her ghar doosrey ghar sey mukhtalif hota hey ... logon ki aadatein ... fitrat ... mahol n all that ... tu adjust tu ladki ko her hi haal mey kerna hota hey .......... aur jahan muhabbatein hon wahan ye cheezein mehsoos bhi nahi hotein aur kaam hojaata
werna suffer kerna likha ho tu biradri kiya khon k rishton k dermiyaan jaa k bhi baaz dafa ladki itna suffer kerti ki soch bhi nahi saktey uskey ghar waley k ye apna khoon hey ya ye wo hein jinhey hum arsey sey jaantey ....
its all about considering all the facts and figures before time ... bohat kam log hi itna practically her cheez pey dheyan detay shaadi sey pehlay ...
Heer aap k parents ka sun k zahir hey achcha tu nahi laga per zaroori tu nahi ki baat sirf ghair biraadri honey ki ho ... as u too have said ur dad doesn't love ... so even if ur mom wud be from same cast, he wud have treat her n u all the same way as he does now ... isn't it?
ladki ya ladka baaz dafa muhabbat mey bas achcha achcha hi dekh rahey hotey .. wo aur cheezon ko 'dekhi jaaey gee' pey rakh k baad k leye utha rakhtey ... even baaz dafa baaz traits aisi kisi aik mey jo k kaafi hoti hey ye andaza laganey k leye k ye cheez aagey chal k problem karey gee per us waqt ishq ka bhoot sawar hota hey ... aur jab shadi ko chand din guzartey hein tu phir wohi aadat sab sey ahum baat aur ladaee a sabub ban k reh jaati
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